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30 January 2008

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Mak

not just you - I think this is a huge part of why people are leaving churches in droves.

fernando

You forgot to mention "I can limit my exposure to "community" to a small group of people I choose to meet regularly with who occasionally discuss faith in non-threatening, pre-packaged formats."

When I was at theological college in the early 90s, all the talk was about developing church around people's "felt" needs. Of course, this has in many ways become a license of spiritual selfishness and what we could call church as big baby syndrome (after the book, Big Babies).

You are right that in this privatised version of churchianity, there's actually very few compelling reasons to come to church (other than maybe to affirmed in one's choice of church). Increasingly, I'm finding that the main and often only reason that keeps people at church is their kids and some connection to children's ministry.

Paul

Thanks Mak, of course the next question is how do we stop doing church on such an individual level...

Paul

Thanks F, not sure how i forget that one!

I think, as i wrote, that the breakdown of church into another individual choice, ineviably leads to the collapse of that space.

is there another way?

Laura Anne

I honestly can't imagine doing church alone, and it makes me feel sad when people try (and I guess do).

Church is only church if there's more than one surely?

Paul

Thanks Laura Anne. Yes you would think so wouldn't you. Maybe it's the holy trinity of me, myself and I..?

Jan

Hi Paul, I thought I'd stop by to have a look at your blog and tell you I've made a longer reply to your comment on my blog, using your comment in the body of the post. As I said there, I do so to bring the conversation closer to the front and maybe stimulate more thought for the readers. I appreciated your comment and used it to say more about my specific concern for the emerging church, which I hope want be taken as a blanket denial of that which is good. Here is the link and I'll add your blog to my news reader. I see you have some things here I'd like to read. Again, thanks.

http://janalanmckenzie.squarespace.com/home/2008/1/31/teleos-and-the-emerging-church-comment-and-reply.html

sacred vapor

Hi Paul,
great thoughts here... I think the real issue here is between consumerism and communerism (ok I made that word up). The point of a community within a Christian context is not what I can consume, but how I can participate... function... like a body functions. When the body works as a unit, then the church really is a Christ incarnated community... or at least begins to look like one.

Paul

Thanks Jan, as with any other part of the church the emerging one has plenty of good and bad so it is good to talk :)

Paul

Thanks SV, great made up word and great point! One of the things i want to look at next is that point about how we move towards participation :)

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