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12 October 2007

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Makeesha

yep, it's called maturity :) not "back to" or "into" but growth up and out, reaching flexing breathing...in out in out

Paul

thanks Mak, so this is what maturity feels like... no wonder i couldn't recognise it ;)

Jason Clark

I hope so Paul, there does seem to be a gentle wind, in the sails

Paul

Thanks Jase, here's to fair wind to sail with and clear stars to steer by...

Laura Anne

At the moment, I feel a time of fasting rather than feasting. But I do think that change is not coming, but already happening. The words that I was reminded of recently were from

Isaiah 43:18 - 'It is already happening, look don't you see it?'

Patrick

My feeling is that the emerging conversation is at the point where it has said what's wrong with the old, and it has offered a lot of liturgical suggestions for the sake of change.

But, to really mature, and to establish itself as something more than yet another fleeting moment in Evangelical re-assessment, it will need to take on more positive contributions theologically.

Less emphasis on dissatisfaction and more on what's post post-evangelicalism, what's post post-modernity. Taking new views on classic doctrines that reflect new actions in missional environments.

I see this in some of the newer emerging books, such as Listening to the Beliefs of the Emerging Church. Pagitt and Kimball's thoughts, to me especially, were opening up new vistas.

That partially explains the kerfuffle with Driscoll. The movement is starting to stretch past liturgical changes and expressions of discontent with Baby Boomer churches and starting to explore what it all means theologically. Those willing to stretch more are pressing the emerging theology to the next step. Driscoll, and others, are liturgically emerging but holding to classical theology and so are drawing the line in the sand.

Maturity indeed. Folks don't like to see the young ones grow up.

Paul

Thanks Laura Anne - I like your Isaiah quote, that's an inspiring thought, for both fasters and feeders :)

Paul

Thanks Patrick, yep I agree with you, altho i suspect this is more than just about growing up theologically (altho that plays a large part). I think there needs to be some concrete laid down, altho we have a suspicion of institutionalism i think we need to do precisely that - even if that means for some people orientating around a deinstitutionalised institution ;).

Of course I am showing my cards here but one of the things i value most about the deep church conversation is that it offers a way of being, of going forward and practicing that is beginning to happen in reality already.

But more of that later... :)

Laura Anne

Oops. Right book, right chapter, wrong verse. Make that Isaiah 43:19. Sorry!!!

Jonathan Brink

Well said brother. I feel it in my bones too.

Paul

Thanks Laura Anne for the correction :)

Paul

Thanks Jonathan, much appreciated!

Sue

I feel it to. I'm reminded of it when I think of certain people I know online who have been taken out of the church system for a season or nine, to walk alone with God, in great difficulty and loneliness at times, and to learn to hear his voice for themselves and to walk in more freedom apart from the system of religious obligation. Now, several of these people are sensing the time is right to return to a Sunday morning meeting. The difference is, now they can differentiate between things of man and things of God, between the system and the freedom we all have. Awesome :)

Paul

Thanks Sue, yes, that is a great example :)

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