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27 August 2007

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cindy

Paul we have which post is which all straightened out now! This one is great too. Thanks so much!

fernando

For a few years now I've trying to grow in prayer through reading the prayers of others and drawing on liturgy. I came to faith in the kind of evangelical Baptist context that put a big emphasis on extempore and ACTS-style prayer so putting words together in that way never felt like a struggle.

The problem really came down to my (lack of) theological imagination.

In prayer I realise how dull and narrow my life's focus can become, a bit like the bore who can only talk about the their work, or heir kids. That's why I go to the words of others so often now, it is like a conversation starter...

Lyn

I love the image at the top Paul - where did you find that one?

Thanks for sharing, great thoughts.

"i'm beginning to find prayer is sometimes conversation, sometimes request, sometimes questioning, sometimes sulking, sometimes begging and sometimes i come to the point of stopping praying my way for my things and instead trying to pray for God's will to be done rather than mine. In fact the more i do of the above exploring and the less I do of praying just for me the more convinced that I am praying in God's ways."

Great point.

sonja

I loved the "sometimes sulking" bit ... there's a good deal of sulking in my prayers (if I'm honest) and perhaps whining too. I think I often approach God in the position of a 4 year old. I have more mature things to sulk and whine about ... but still the fact remains.

Erin

Sorry about the incorrect link. My bad. It was the last line of the other post where you asked "How do you pray" that threw me.

Anyhow, I think what I'm taking away here is the importance of stepping outside our prayer box and trying new ways. It's so easy to find something that works and stick with it, but I think God likes diversity. Otherwise Him listening to all our prayers would be a bit boring.

Patti Blount

Hi Paul-When you mentioned how hard it was praying for your wife or with her, I was thinking that maybe that's how alot of husbands feel. The depth is so great, words are so limitless. I believe God reads the prayers of our spirits. You bringing this up helped me know my husband feels the same way possibly, and it comforts me to know God is receiving his inmost prayers on my behalf, and will respond to them. The same, I believe, is true for your spirit prayers for your wife.

Paul

Thanks Cindy, much appreciated. My fault for being too in tune with the whole let's talk about prayer thang :)

Paul

Thanks Fernando, i agree, i often find myself covering the same old ground in the same old words - my imagination needs a jump start and my perspectives need fresh points of view, the words of others are so often a powerful way of doing both, and a reminder of connection with the saints across time and traditions.

Are there any particular resources you use that you would recommend?

Paul

Thanks Lyn, image from hours of seaching flickr.com, it's my weakness that my quest for images often takes longer than writing the post :)

Paul

Thanks Erin, no worries. Thanks esp to you, cindy and Lyn for organising, your hard work in keeping track of all us is much appreciated!

Poor God, he must have to listen to an aweful lot of boring prayers or maybe to him they are as delightful as the gurgles my 18month yr old makes, trying to make contact in the best way we can? So perhaps variety keeps me from getting bored talking to God not God listening to me :)

Paul

thanks sonja, i like to think that when Jesus was talking about us being like little children he knew it was cos sometimes we'd sulk and that is ok :) I know sometimes i deliberately don't pray cos i'm sulking at God, with a you know i could give you this time God but i'm not so there... which i guess is still actually praying to him, lol...

Paul

thanks Patti - i think its doubly hard as I want to help my wife, i want to be the one who fixes her and it can feel real powerless to be in a position where i know i can't and that we need God's help. It makes me realise how inadequate my prayers are but i'm glad God hears my stumblings :)

Cynthia

"i'm beginning to find prayer is sometimes conversation, sometimes request, sometimes questioning, sometimes sulking, sometimes begging and sometimes i come to the point of stopping praying my way for my things and instead trying to pray for God's will to be done rather than mine. In fact the more i do of the above exploring and the less I do of praying just for me the more convinced that I am praying in God's ways."

Paul,
Yes, I am finding that prayer is all those things as well ... and I am loving being real and authentic with God for the first time. I quite get the picture that He is loving my uninhibited gushings as well.

Julie Clawson

I love your deconstruction of the prayer formula... it is so often true and so often done on default mode.

Paul

thanks julie, it was a fun deconstruct. It is surprisingly easy to get into a rut, as you say, which is why some variety makes prayer more engaging and meaningful for me.

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