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04 July 2007

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Ken Allen

Mostly the core vs. non-core items make sense to me as outlined... but you mention the divinity/humanity of Christ being more imporant that virgin birth. I agree to keep in proper balance that is key, but when you read the account of the conception, to move away from virgin birth takes away the whole power of the miricle God performed there. The birth of Jesus Christ was a divine invasion upon a sadly sinful group of human beings.

Ken Allen

Mostly the core vs. non-core items make sense to me as outlined... but you mention the divinity/humanity of Christ being more imporant that virgin birth. I agree to keep in proper balance that is key, but when you read the account of the conception, to move away from virgin birth takes away the whole power of the miricle God performed there. The birth of Jesus Christ was a divine invasion upon a sadly sinful group of human beings.

fernando

In a lot of way I find the question of core practices more fascinating than the question of core beliefs. I'm pretty happy to accept a creedally basic definition where most of the core was settled over a millenia ago.

But, the question of what that essentialy means for mission/ethics/apologetics/politics is a lot more challenging and seems to be where we really get stuck.

On that point I find tradition really helpful but traditionalism really stifling. To me, traditionalism is an outworking of conservatisim and localism. But, the answer is not to reject tradition, which to me always seems a very self-aggrandising move.

I think tradition keeps us honest and humble by forcing us to consider the received wisdom and experience of the church.

Paul

Thanks Ken, personally i agree with you and believe that the virgin birth happened. I was thinking maybe of the ripple effect of belief in terms of our belief in Jesus and the reodering of our lives around his kingdom rather than our own is the central event. The virgin birth is a ripple that comes out of that or maybe towards that...

Paul

Thanks Fernando, I think you are right, mostly across the orthodox christian community we pick at matters of emphasis rather than doctrines.

How we practice our faith rather than just what we think about is of course i guess the 'fruit test' - what does it look/feel/act/do/be/mean to be a christian and how do we practice that?

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