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11 June 2007

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fernando

Sacks' list is a good one. I would add, athenticity without discomfort, travel without difference, ethics without sacrfice and commerce without trade.

I also think the line you are suggesting about "ordinary time" is solid. Our culture screams "dream and fantasise" at every opportunity. It doesn't just drive the celebrity machine, but also the make-over/renovation machine, the poerty machine and the trade your partner in for a better one/trophy-wife machine.

Maybe I've been reading WAY TOO MUCH Zizek, but I think on this issue we Christians need to get back into our heads and recolonise the imaginary and the virtual. Plenty of us live outwardly Christian lives but carry fiarly unreconstructed dreams of materialism and comfort.

It seems to me Jesus had some pretty strong things to say about living one ethic and carrying a different one around in our heads.

Paul

Thanks Fernando, I like your additions too - they seem to spotlight some more of the idols. I'd like to hear a little more please about your take on 'commerce without trade' - are you referencing our commodification of life here or something else?

The trouble i find is that all too often i live out precisely my religion and am busy sacrificing myself all these other idol's alters. I'm usually not very aware of it when I am though.

The thing i find hardest is how to practise ordinary life with an ordinary faith - being present in my ordinary life is something i do pretty much everything to avoid facing up to/thinking about/engaging in... ah denial!

Any thoughts/advice as to how to engage in and live out a different reality - i keep coming back to the ordinary practices of the faith of prayer, worship, christian community and bible reading - although they also give me plenty of day dreaming alternatives! :)

fernando

Commerce without trade, or maybe shopping without gift? It's an idea I've had for a while but not articulated clearly.

In a barter economy, every transaction is personal and directly involves a giving away of our time, space and work. Even in conventional markets with barter and the like we have to be present to the reality of the trade and our role in the "chain of supply."

But every new level of technology divroces us from being present to the commerce, exchanging ourselves on a personal level and being attentive to the origins of the goods.

It's something I had to think about a lot living in India - buying meat meant seeing (and smelling) slaughter and the process of butchery up close, everytime. In fact one has to exchange convenience for the assurance your food is safe, fresh and healthy.

Paul

Thanks Fernando, that's helpful to undertstand more what you meant. Much appreciated.

We are divorced from the means of production - i often wonder if clothes should have a label in them saying how much the person making them was paid, what their employment conditions are like etc so we can be more in touch with who makes what we buy...

I see there has been a move in the UK with some people like Waitrose putting pictures up of the farmer who they source their eggs from etc to try and make that link with certain foods.

fernando

When we lived in London, our produce was bought through Abel & Cole and they used to include bios on the farmers who grew some of the produce and information on their farms and conditions. Our butcher also could tell us about the farms in Wales, England, Scotland and France where his produce came from - heck our Kelly Turkeys even came with an ID tag and description of the land they roamed on!

Of course the problem at this stage is that all this is only available to the higher end of the market. How many people can afford hand packed organic fruit and veg, shopping at an exclusive butcher or even going to waitrose on a regular basis?

The only time I've seen a farmers face near meat here in HK, it was for some Japanese Wagyu steaks selling for just under £350 a kilo!

BTW, on this point Wendell Berry has some great things to say in "What Are People For?"

Paul

thanks fernando.

yes, and for me the danger is taht it can become about status, being able to afford to source our food and to therefore boast about its origins, almost as if we grew it ourselves...

maybe justice is when everyone has access to that sort of information at a price they can afford and that is also fair for those who produce our food, clothing and consumer goods?

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