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01 March 2007

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Jamie

Paul--
Great post. I think more and more of us are thinking in these terms. I love your analogy about Jesus being the divine bouncer. My husband has to do a funeral this weekend for a man...we are not sure where he stood, spiritually. His wife, and children are followers of Jesus. My husband is going to talk about Mark 2...where the guys lower the paralyzed guy down to Jesus and Jesus says "because of your faith..." I love this. Did you read my recap of the session with Rob Bell on salvation? When someone really lays down all the references to salvation, and you put them next to each other, you realize that salvation is much more merciful than understand!

Rick Meigs

"The question isn't so much whether we're right but whether we're good." This my friend is one of the most powerful statement I've heard! The world will never see Jesus through us because we are right, but because we demonstrate Gods goodness and justice in our own lives.

Thanks for the post Paul.

Paul

Thanks Jamie, i would love to read your recap, have you got a link for it please?

I find that intellectually i am often baffled by my faith in Jesus, my mind often knows why i beleive but if i just isolate it on the intellectual plane it just chuckles to itself - faith is so hard to explain and yet somehow just seems to bubble up - which may be why i find myself having to recommit to following the way of Jesus so often - my ways are usally easier but never as deep or as fulfilling.

I'd be interested to hear more on your view on the mercy in salvation?

Paul

Thanks Rick - i know from my side of things that i often want people to think i am right and more than that i often think modern christianity is wrong - getting beyond that i'm right/you're wrong thang has been a journey and a half, now i think i have as many moments of being a hinderance to the gospel as any other follower of whatever stripe...

Rupert

Good post Paul and the follow on.

Much could be said here: but one simple thought. I have often substituted the word "truth" with "reality", which i have found hugely helpful. So Jesus brings reality to me... That takes me away a bit from an objective body of belief, to something that Jesus can me lead into: a greater reality about myself. Which is what think you are saying in yoru post!

Paul

Thanks Rupert - yes i like your use of reality as a way of expressing the truth that Jesus brings - i find that helpful in terms of thinking how my reality has changed over time and has deepened - it makes it a lot less confrontational - this is truth and a lot more relational - inviting me in, looking to be led into.

What ways do you think Jesus has invited you into new realities?

Rupert

Good questions paul and great comment about truth being relational, rather than say propositional.

I have found both counselling and spiritual direction both incredibly valuable ways in a fresh reality of myself. Take for example counselling, when i was very messed up, God was doing a lot of speaking, healing and realigning me, but i couldn't quite fit all the pieces together.

I went for some counselling, which was probably the most helpful thing i have done in terms on bringing my life into a greater reality.

Subsequently, i have been training in counselling, and part of that is to continue working on your inner journey in groups and individuals, and that has been incredibly meaningful.

I am now wondering how to bring some of that reality in to the wider church community? Any thoughts?

Paul

I've had prayer counselling which was great and i know people who have been for counselling of all descriptions - mostly from what I have seen it has been incredibly helpful in short bursts and less so when people are in long haul and find themselves able to diagnose their problems more clinically but not move beyond them [then again i know some people in long term counselling who need that time and find it so helpful]...

In terms of bringing in that wider reality - it's a great Q. I think that we need a mutality - that we ask people how they feel and really listen and then ask what we can do and be open to doing the same.

Sometimes we need to be couragious and share our stuff first to help people be inspired to have courage.

I think as well that confession, compassion, connection, community are all vital in terms of being able to share in a loving space where people want the best for us and stay with each other in doing this...

What are you or anyone else doing in your own communities to make this a reality?

Rupert Ward

Just a quickie - i too would be interested in others responses...

I have found story telling groups really helpful. Could be telling your own story: current, inner and deeper. Or could be telling your current life as a metaphor or parable. Both good ways of getting people talking. BUt keen for more ideas and to go deeper.

Paul

Thanks Rupert, life in metaphor, like it... what would yours be?

Rupert Ward

Journey would be a key one.
What about you?

Paul

yes journey, although i need to find a better one, everything is a journey these days, lol.

people liberation front, maybe :)

Rupert Ward

yes it is ... but it is still a good one. Seasons could be another. something that doesn't convey that life is static.

I like the PLF!?!

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