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05 November 2006

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molly

WOW. Thanks for having the guts to share all of that, first of all. Man, oh man, I wish I could meet your wife! She sounds like she would be so much fun to get to know... (If you're reading this, Hi, Debby!). :) Anyways, thanks for being open and candid and so powerfully honest. Not many of us do that, but it's so encouraging and refreshingly REAL when we do.

Paul

Hi Molls, well thought it would make a change from what colour is my belly button fluff today (blue if you are interested - it's always blue!!!:).

Debs is awesome - as they say behind every funny man there is a great woman rolling her eyes - well that's my debs, but she does it very well :).

I hear you on the honesty front - for years I felt that I could not be honest without letting the side down, now I feel if I'm not honest i'm, well, letting the side down, lol.

Somewhere, somehow something has gone wrong when we create this expectation of glorious pefect living and bury our brokeness under 6ft of smiley cement with a few nice daises arranged on top. I feel heart broken for Ted Haggard for instance who is as much a victim of a system that grinds honesty out of us, we all our sinners/broken/hurting and he like me needs God.

In my heart I feel honesty like mine should not be surprising it should be the norm - ok thank goodness we don't all struggle with our sexuality but when we do have questions, struggles, difficulties, fears etc can we be open and honest, will people care enough to listen, will I care enough to not only ask but to offer to help?

molly

I totally agree with you on Haggard... It's not to excuse what he did/has done, but it's just...this whole system we've constructed does NOT allow for imperfection, ESPECIALLY and PARTICULARLY if you are in a leadership position. To admit weakness is to ask for your walking papers, you know? Though I'm not sure how it *should* look...

I mean, when I ask myself the hard questions on the other side, I know it can get sticky...being honest means that certain doors might be closed...that I don't want someone struggling with child molestation issues going and teaching my children from the Bible. I just don't.

I want to provide an environment where we can be honest, yet at the same time, it's not cool to just ignore someone's issues when they might, if the person is struggling with them, cause some serious damage. So how to provide an environment of honesty and yet also HELP eachother by lifting eachtoher up, providing accountability, offering a warm hug just because, etc...

I dunno... How does it work, how does it look... ???

Paul

Hi Molls, I also wonder how should it look - so I've turned my wonderings into a post exploring this over at Jason's site:
http://www.jasonclark.ws/2006/11/07/what-sort-of-church-am-i-projectingperpetuatingparticipating-in-reflections-on-ted-haggard-me-and-all-of-our-church-families/

John Smulo

Paul,

This is the most refreshing, open, honest, helpful posts I've read in a looooooong time. I really like what you have to say here, it's really helpful for me in my thinking through church and how tired I am of us not allowing ourselves to be who we are, good and bad. It also keeps provoking me to be more honest myself, and as a result part of the solution not the problem.

Paul

Thanks John, it's been something that I have been thinking of writing for a long time - just never sure of whacking it on the blog. I think engaging honestly and being honest has set me on a new course and I am grateful for that - altho i think i could be more honest more often, sometimes i feel it gets a little tiresome, lol.

I appreciate your encouragement in getting me to write this with some helpful hints and nudges - you a great pastor you know :)

sally

You are a brave man to share your thoughts and struggles, you have highlighted the need for honesty and integrity.
Thank you

Dawn C

Found my way here via John's blog - Paul, what a gift you have given to many people with this blog.

We went through something very similar in our marriage, when pornography had a huge hold on it. The most INCREDIBLE gift my husband gave to us was when he stopped trying to pretend that it didn't exist and simply got real...with me and with other men who were also struggling.

With that sharing came freedom. It was only in the willingness to allow the Light into the dark that he was able to find his way out. AND with that light came others who were able to confess their struggle as well.

Although I ache for the Haggard family, I rejoice for them even more. For now, as the sin has come to light this Brother can find TRUE freedom, not the prison that not being found out has had him in. What kindness of Father to allow him to be "found out."

Funny thing about sin in our lives.... we somehow think no one else can see it. Any more I figure I'm the only one that *can't* see it, so I might as well talk about it anyway, because it seems visible to everyone else.

Sorry for highjacking your blog. All that to say, thank you for sharing - enter into the joy of our Lord!

Paul

Thank you Dawn. Yes and I know all about that one and I haven't even mentioned my own struggles with addiction to porn. That has been something of continual confession and letting the light in - porn is such a seductive thang and so easy as well which I think is why it was for me so easy to get hooked on.

It is weird that secret/hiding away nature of some sin which we find shameful but also how so many sins we just keep on flaunting because we see nothing wrong with it - i think of me and my pride, my greed, my selfishness and self interest, protecting my rights at any cost- and find these are much more insiduous. It's easy in some ways to think porn = sin altho to know its a sin and to change from sin patterns is a real journey.

Thank you for sharing and thank you for hanging on in there with your husband - I know that these sins don't just affect me but debs as well and I am real grateful for her continued sexual light in our relationship, modelling a much more healthier way :)

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